Interesting, I'm not sure I totally relate to either side. My initial reaction to the title is to imagine two fens and some images from the show, but I didn't think specifically in terms of an awkward feeling. For the question about "between you and me", I probably lean spatial (imagining a line between two people), but my initial reaction was something more like a textured color along with an image of someone saying the phrase. For question 3, I think of it more in terms of the empty space between two objects.
Where I'm not sure is when it comes to your distinction between the subjective being something felt internally versus how the scene hangs. I have both depending on the emotion. Sometimes, I get the very distinct feeling that a feeling is coloring the world (external), other times, I feel more like it's something internal.
Thanks so much for replying! What did you make of the diagram I got ChatGPT to make? I actually think that one might be the most telling diagnostic of all?
Here’s another that I wondered was cleaner: **When you imagine “space,” do you picture it as something a) with an inside or b) something that exists in-between objects?**
The diagram was interesting — the idea of space as a bubble is totally alien to me, to the extent that it's hard to even imagine it.
For the new test you just gave: definitely something that exists in between objects. The idea of space as something with an inside makes almost no sense to me.
Ah you might be like me! I simply haven’t run the numbers - ChatGPT seemed to think ‘our’ way was rare. Do you know of Douglas Harding’s ‘On Having No Head’ - he seemed to be pointing people to experience like us, a concave experience where you’re just looking out onto the world and not ‘inside’ a body.
The thing is that I don't necessarily feel like I'm not inside a body, I feel like I have both going on. Sounds like it may be more of a spectrum thing than a sharp divide. Although now that I think about it, I have always tended to say that I don't really have a gut feeling about things, and I wonder if that's the same inside-outside concept but in different words. Any gut feeling I have is just a stance I can either remain in or move out of, so it doesn't serve as a reliable signal of what's "inside" "me".
Do you feel like you have a default? For me when I’m going about my day I’m outside the body but when I have conversations like this and ‘think’ about it I toggle behind the eyes. From what I understand this is not the standard version of non-duality, whereby people are standardly behind the face and toggle outward when they concentrate
I'd probably say that I tend to place myself behind my eyes. I don't tend to see myself from the outside. But I'd also say that I don't think this has much to do with non-duality.
Interesting, I'm not sure I totally relate to either side. My initial reaction to the title is to imagine two fens and some images from the show, but I didn't think specifically in terms of an awkward feeling. For the question about "between you and me", I probably lean spatial (imagining a line between two people), but my initial reaction was something more like a textured color along with an image of someone saying the phrase. For question 3, I think of it more in terms of the empty space between two objects.
Where I'm not sure is when it comes to your distinction between the subjective being something felt internally versus how the scene hangs. I have both depending on the emotion. Sometimes, I get the very distinct feeling that a feeling is coloring the world (external), other times, I feel more like it's something internal.
Thanks so much for replying! What did you make of the diagram I got ChatGPT to make? I actually think that one might be the most telling diagnostic of all?
Here’s another that I wondered was cleaner: **When you imagine “space,” do you picture it as something a) with an inside or b) something that exists in-between objects?**
The diagram was interesting — the idea of space as a bubble is totally alien to me, to the extent that it's hard to even imagine it.
For the new test you just gave: definitely something that exists in between objects. The idea of space as something with an inside makes almost no sense to me.
Ah you might be like me! I simply haven’t run the numbers - ChatGPT seemed to think ‘our’ way was rare. Do you know of Douglas Harding’s ‘On Having No Head’ - he seemed to be pointing people to experience like us, a concave experience where you’re just looking out onto the world and not ‘inside’ a body.
The thing is that I don't necessarily feel like I'm not inside a body, I feel like I have both going on. Sounds like it may be more of a spectrum thing than a sharp divide. Although now that I think about it, I have always tended to say that I don't really have a gut feeling about things, and I wonder if that's the same inside-outside concept but in different words. Any gut feeling I have is just a stance I can either remain in or move out of, so it doesn't serve as a reliable signal of what's "inside" "me".
Do you feel like you have a default? For me when I’m going about my day I’m outside the body but when I have conversations like this and ‘think’ about it I toggle behind the eyes. From what I understand this is not the standard version of non-duality, whereby people are standardly behind the face and toggle outward when they concentrate
I'd probably say that I tend to place myself behind my eyes. I don't tend to see myself from the outside. But I'd also say that I don't think this has much to do with non-duality.